What CAM is in the Indian 116 BBK?

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  1. Dadawada

    Dadawada We can all use a little more cowbell!
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    Does anyone know what CAM is in the 116 Big Bore Kit? I've looked everywhere and I'm amazed that no where does it list what the CAM is. I'm assuming since it has to be emission compliant it is less aggressive than than a 585.

    Anyone know where CAM specs are?
     
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    @theMucker , didn't you look into this?
     
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    I can give you physical measurements of the OEM, Stage 2 and Stage 3 cams. That'll give you some idea of what the valve lift is. But I have no measurements indicating valve opening & closing rates or valve overlap. Stock & stage 2 cams have EXACTLY the same lift. The Stage 3 cams increase intake valve lift .084" and exhaust valves .097".

    And I have no data at all regarding the aftermarket cams, other than what's been published here and in advertising.
     
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    Thank you Mucker. I'm trying to determine the difference between the Stage 3 116 BBK cam and the .585 cams Lloyd is selling.
     
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    I applaud your desire for proper info, DadaWada. It pays to know what you're spending your hard-earned money on. Personally, I would like to do a heads-up comparo between the Stage 3 cams and Lloydz' cams. To date, I must admit to being very impressed with Lloyd's commitment to design for performance. The man seems driven to make and sell what really works, even though he could be making more profit on stuff that's questionable at the rear wheel.
     
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    Dadawada We can all use a little more cowbell!
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    The other thing I really like about him is if he doesn't feel his stuff can improve your bike, he won't sell it to you. I had his team dyno tune my bike in Daytona. For reasons unknown, it dynoed off the chart. They all walked over and said...not much more we can do.

    Now that said, I'm thinking there was something way off in their dyno. I'm getting a local dyno run in the next few weeks to get a new baseline. It pulls great and runs great but I've never seen a normally aspirated Indian with any setup do that much. I'm thinking adding his 585 to my setup with a new tune should be nice. But like you said, I'd like to know what I have. Indian has gone to great lengths to hide the cam numbers.
     
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    Did we ever figure out if those Stage 2 cams had any useful performance impacts?
     
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    There are a lot of folks who swear that the Stage 2 cams ROCK!
    :rolleyes:
     
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    13% HP increase and 7% Tq is the OEM claim.
     
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    And I've got a lightly used bridge on the east side of Manhattan that I can sell you for a song...
     
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    Figured as much.
     
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    I'm in the midst of debating the stage 2 vs getting a peak tune on Power Vision CX (don't have one yet, but do have stage one and it helped... a bit). Little disappointed that stage 2 and stock have same lift but realize that's not all the story. Any opinions on which of those ways to go?
     
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    You need the tuner in either case, so......


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    What he said...
     
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    Dadawada and Baldhead_J,

    Thanks. PCVX next. Thought Indian just had factory flash post stage 2. (as if I know what that means)
     
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    Indian does have a post install flash for both stage 2 and 3 setups, but they are not very good. They are adequate, but they have to remain emission compliant so they are not tuned for performance.
     
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    What he said.

    Fuel Moto offers remote tuning for $199 which is pretty awesome. If you a located in the Carolinas, Lloydz is the Man at Indian Motorcycle of Charlotte. Good luck! - John
     
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    If you buy your PVCX they'll help you via phone for free.

    Also, 2(J) couldn't be more correct. LLOYD IS DA MAN.
     
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    Yes yes yes....
    Yes and good correction. You get a 'canned' map per your bike specs, mods with the purchase of a PVCX.

    All I meant was that they do extensive tuning for your bike (all bikes are different) for an extra $199. Did that with my Vintage after the 585 cam were installed and it was pretty incredible...heard it's actually more accurate than a typical 5 run dyno tune, but I can't argue that since I lack the knowledge. Peace out- John
     
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    Hey guys. Thanks for the education. I got a plan now. Sounds like PCVW, coupled with remote tuning and then if still need more cowbell, call Lloyds, talk cams. And yes, no such thing as too much cowbell. I don't expect it to outrun my Busa, but wouldn't it be a hoot to feel those G-forces. In reality I've kept myself alive with good acceleration almost as often as with good braking.
     
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