Indian "Raven", new FTR variant?

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    Sounds like an FTR "Dark Horse", to me. What say you?


    Indian Raven Trademark Filing May Hint At Follow-Up To The Indian FTR1200
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    Indian Motorcycle has filed a trademark application for name “Indian Raven” as a potential name for a new model. The application was filed today with the European Union Intellectual Property Office for the intended use of the “Indian Raven” mark for a “motorcycle and structural parts therefor.” We expect a similar filing to come with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in the next week.

    The trademark application reveals very little details, beyond Indian’s intent to use the name. That leaves us to speculate on what the Indian Raven could be, based on what we know of Indian’s current model lineup and nomenclature. The trademark filing was for the words “Indian” and “Raven” together, so we can probably rule out a Scout variant, otherwise the filing would be something along the lines of “Indian Scout Raven.” Likewise, we assume the name is for a new Chieftain variant, otherwise it’d be something like “Indian Chieftain Raven.”

    It’s possible the new model could be a bagger or a tourer like the Springfield or Roadmaster, but the Raven name hardly conjures up images of a heavyweight motorcycle. The use of a bird, especially a relatively small one like the raven, would suggest something much smaller and lightweight. That leaves us with the FTR1200.

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    We originally assumed this drawing represented the FTR1200 but the production model uses a slightly different trellis frame and shorter side pivot plates. Could this end up being the Indian Raven instead?

    We know from Indian’s patent filings that the FTR1200 was just one configuration of what was conceived as a new modular design. The patent describes a compact arrangement for an airboxabove the engine and an underseat fuel tank that can be used in different configurations.

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    A key aspect of the modular design is the placement of the airbox (#242) and underseat fuel tank (#260) that can fit with different frame designs.

    The patent showed multiple variations on the trellis frame and side pivot plates, accommodating engines with different mounting points. According to the patent, the modular design could be used for different setups, from cruisers to standard motorcycles, and possibly even sportier bikes.

    Yes, an Indian-branded sportbike isn’t as far-fetched as you might think. Speaking with MCN, Ola Stenegärd, Indian’s director of product design, mused about the possibility of a sportbike, saying: “A race bike is probably the best way forward because Indian have never done a supersport bike. There’s no heritage to fall back on, no icon to refer to – but maybe it’s a V-twin and you go into that kind of territory and the engine provides the heritage.”

    What’s interesting about Stenegärd’s statement is that we usually picture Indian as a brand tied to its rich heritage; that is, after all, the biggest thing that separated Indian from Victory. Stenegärd is saying that Indian can venture into waters without history being an anchor. Stenegärd comes from a background in customs and choppers, but before he joined Indian, he worked for BMW and was one of the key figures behind the S1000RR. Still, a raven doesn’t convey the sense of speed or aggression you’d expect for a sportbike. What’s interesting about Stenegärd’s statement is that we usually picture Indian as a brand tied to its rich heritage; that is, after all, the biggest thing that separated Indian from Victory. Stenegärd is saying that Indian can venture into waters without history being an anchor.

    No, the more likely answer is the Raven will be another cruiser, blacked out to reflect its namesake, but hopefully with a sportier side, a competitor to the Ducati Diavel perhaps. A streetfighter is also possible, again with a blacked-out theme.

    All of this is, of course, just speculation, and we won’t know for certain what Indian has planned for the Raven until we hear something official or more clues come to light.
     
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    Very confident that this will be a 750 variant of the FTR. The patents for modular frames and engine mount variants suggests as much. Indian is doubling down on the International market, they've been very public about their intent to use the FTR as a modular platform for various segments and sizes, the name "Raven" implies a lightweight and agile motorcycle, and the clock is ticking for them to release a qualifying model for AFT's Production Twins class (~650 cc - 850 cc).

    Personally, this is the model I've been waiting for, and it may be exactly what it takes to pull me away from the Husqvarna 701 next year.
     
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    Interesting thoughts. You might keep an eye on your "chainsaw", Indian's price model has gotten wacky over the last two [model] years.
     
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    Velly Intellesting . . . . clearly Polaris is attentive to the need to bring younger riders into the lifestyle. Look out Ducati, here we come !
     
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    Just really good to see that Polaris is continuing to give Indian support, and apparently free reign.
     
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    Interesting...

    But also remember that Polaris also entered into a partnership with Royal Enfield recently in which the later introduced their 838cc V-Twin KX concept in Milan this year. The bike currently does not have a working motor. Perhaps the partnership is Royal Enfield provides the bike and Polaris provides the new (to be released) 838cc V-Twin that will be branded under Indian as the Raven.

    Opinion: Royal Enfield Concept KX Indicates New Brand Direction - NDTV CarAndBike
     
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    Great point!
     
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    Going to be one hell of an interesting year next year,......
     
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    I'm hoping it's a 60s style chopper. Ok, it probably won't be, but I can dream.
     
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    Indian Four anyone?:oops::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:,......I'm allowed to dream too you know!:p;)
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    Great info on the patent. Were the drawings referenced connected to the "Raven" application specifically, or were they from an earlier submission?

    A smaller engine in the FTR frame would make sense from a racing perspective, but only if they find a way to drop 100 pounds for a race bike. For me, I'd rather have the 1200's power, OR the 1200 in more of a Ducati Monster geometry/stance.
     
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    I reposted what motorcycle.com put up. There are many other sources now to pick through.
     
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    Polaris isn't sitting on it's hands and hoping the status quo sells bike's.
    They jumped in with this Indian investment with the old and the new in mind. We're witnessing a company tuned into the products we want and the products we will want....Good Stuff!
     
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    Just speculating here . . . a high-performance V twin. Instead of "potato potato potato," "nevermore nevermore nevermore" . . . .
     
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    Totally agree,.....I'm getting warm fuzzies for Indian in 2019 and beyond for that matter,.......AND ONLY JUST TODAY I ASSISTED AN INDIAN VINTAGE MAN TO WELLINGTON MOTORCYCLES TO TRADE ONTO A 2018 RED WHITE AND BLUE INDIAN SCOUT!!,!! He came from up country and had bought my freedom shields Scout screen to go on his new bike,....he was finding the Vintage too heavy soooooo,.....the obvious,.......buy a Scout. We met at Bulls and I escorted him the remaining 100 miles to the shop. I told him,.....be surprised Mate,....be VERY surprised!,....he said, Why?,........I replied,.....got red paint Mate!

    We did the 100 miles back to my place where we checked a couple of things and I fitted the screen for him,......he was still smiling after we both fuelled up and he headed off for the remaining two hours of his trip home. I said,....email me tomorrow,....tell me what you think,.......but I know the answer already,........
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    I was at my local Indian dealer 12/22 Saturday and the owners daughter told me they're getting 3 of the FTR's next month. She said all three will be the "S" model.
    I'll have to swing by in January and take a gander.
     
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    ^^^^^
    Woooo!
     
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