Electric FTR Inbound

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  1. Baldhead_J

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    Indian Files EFTR Trademark For An Electric Motorcycle
    [​IMG]Dennis Chung
    June 10, 2020

    The Harley-Davidson LiveWire may soon have a direct competitor as Indian Motorcycle has filed a trademark application for “EFTR” for use on a future electric motorcycle.

    The application, filed with both the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, the European Union Intellectual Property Office and IP Australia, specifies the EFTR name is intended for “Electric motorcycles and structural parts therefor”, leaving little doubt that Indian is working on an electric version of the FTR 1200.


    An EFTR would be the first electric motorcycle from Indian, but also the first from Polaris Industries since the 2016 Victory Empulse TT. The Empulse was shelved alongside the Victory brand in 2017, leaving the future of Polaris’ electric two-wheelers (and the technology it acquired from Brammo) in doubt. The new trademark suggests Polaris is preparing for an electric Indian, but it’s not clear whether it will share any technology with the Empulse TT.


    Four years is a long time in the electric vehicle space, and the specs for the Empulse (which claimed 54 hp, 61 lb-ft. and a range of 140 miles) do not stand up against the competition today. The LiveWire claims an output of 105 hp and 86 lb-ft. with a range of 146 miles of city riding while the Zero SR/F claims 110 hp, 140 lb-ft. and 161 miles. Polaris must surely have made progress in the last four years, but the EFTR will need to claim comparable numbers to be competitive.

    Unlike most electric motorcycles, the Empulse TT used a six-speed manual transmission. It’ll be interesting to see if the Indian EFTR will have a manual transmission as well.

    We know from patent filings that the FTR was designed to be modular, and the new EFTR trademark suggests it will share some elements with the flat track-inspired roadster, though it will likely be more complicated than plopping an electric motor in the FTR 1200’s frame.

    As with most trademark applications, there’s no indication on when we might expect to see the Indian EFTR. We’ll have more information here on Motorcycle.com as it becomes available.
     
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    Wow, this could be a huge game changer if it is priced well and performance and charge time are favourable. Interesting times for Indian Motorcycle.
     
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    Remember the background of the new Prez.
     
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    Well, the name says it all,......EFTR,.........You don't put a pup's heart under a Wolf' s hide now do ya,......Going out on a limb here but I think Indian is going to surprise in a big way!,.......
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    Yep.....something that Victory could not achieve....
     
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    Ewwwwwwwwwwww
     
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    With a sound chip, they could make it sound like anything!
     
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    That was my reaction. We mustn't lose focus. Dabble in electrification if you must, but don't lose focus on creating great motorcycles. The new Prez worries me.
     
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    Same here. I will have to remodel my garage If they get away from traditional American.
     
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    Indian EFTR trademark points to new electric motorcycle
    We expect it will go head-to-head with the Harley-Davidson LiveWire
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    [​IMG]Jeremy Korzeniewski


    Indian Motorcycle's recent trademark for EFTR suggests that the company is working on an electric version of its well-received Flat Track Racer model line. Such a machine would likely go up against the Harley-Davidson LiveWire, pitting the two historic American motorcycle manufacturers against each other in a fresh new segment. According to Motorcycle.com, the trademark was filed with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, the European Union Intellectual Property Office and IP Australia, indicating that the EFTR would be a global offering.

    This would be the first electric motorcycle from Indian, but parent company Polaris dabbled in the market with the Victory Empulse TT, itself developed from the Brammo Empulse R after Polaris bought the motorcycle assets of that company in 2015. The Empulse was unique in the electric motorcycle segment in using a six-speed manual gearbox instead of a single-speed direct-drive to power the rear wheel. We look forward to more information on the up-and-coming EFTR, especially to see if Indian keeps the enthusiast-friendly clutch and shift lever.



    We're certain the Indian EFTR's battery will feature greater capacity than the old Empulse's 10.4 kilowatt hours, along with an electric motor with more than that initial bike's 54 horsepower and 61 pound-feet of torque. For reference, Harley-Davidson's LiveWire boasts a battery with 15.5 kWh to power an electric motor with 105 horses and 86 lb-ft. The LiveWire's combined city and highway range is pegged at 95 miles. The Zero SR/F, America's other high-powered naked electric bike, gets 123 miles from its 14.4-kWh battery pack and electric motor with 110 horsepower and 140 lb-ft.
     
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    SO, Indian seems like pulling the plug on the FTR's, maybe keeping the RR only. Clearance sales definitely on the base and S models. Due to poor marketing, over priced and unpopular. Then, decide to make an electric version of the FTR, again competing with HD and will again be called COPYING, to produce a bike that surely will be expensive and not that popular to a large already fan base of their current line up. I am confused. Does anyone including the Indian Motorcycle executive members actually have any ideas of the direction they are heading in. Harley may be old and keeping it's roots, but at least you know what they are doing. Hopefully 2021 will bring around 3 new models. I'm hoping it would be an Entry 600cc watercooled street / commuter, a true midweight cruiser with optional bags (650 pound region) and an E bike. Work and introduce variety of models from there.We got enough Scouts and Baggers, haven't we??
     
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    I can't find any evidence to support this. Can you show me where you read/saw it?
     
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    Sorry, I could have it wrong. I thought @Bobby Jesus mentioned something along those lines about the FTR going bye byes. I know here in New Zealand they have a clearance sale on them, and they are really not moving even with $3,000NZD off. Guess only time will tell or there is a leak from someone who knows.
     
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    Actually found the post, it was yours, 2020 prices slashed. You noted that you had heard a rumour the FTR wont be around for 2022. i just assumed from there. Cheers man
     
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    And yet strangely enough those that buy an FTR swear by them,......There's one in Wanganui owned by the guy that owns Total Span there,.......reckons it is the most fun bike he has ever had,......and I know someone right here on this forum who would give his left testicle for one,.....ain't that right @Bobby Jesus ?,.........
     
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    Yeah I know 3 guys that have them. They all have long and varied riding careers. One guy last year took a home built Triumph to the Bonny Salt flats, has tons of different bikes and builds choppers and restores others. Another guy had a Chieftain (traded for the FTR) and has a Victory bagger, other guy is ex motorcycle courier and can ride his arse off and also owns a Chieftain. The one thing in common, they all wanted to relive a bit of their hoon youth so got an FTR to basically hoon around on. Unfortunately, for those who can only afford one bike or have to make a choice between type of bike and riding, the FTR doesn't really get a foot in the door. My thoughts anyway for what its worth.
     
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    No worries @muz! I said I heard the rumor and I believe @Bobby Jesus commented on it. But it really was just a rumor I was passing along. I heard it amongst the dealership "rabble". I continue to have no confirmation.
     
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    You are correct. Most fun I’ve had on a bike in a long time. But I would have to give up one of my bikes to own one.
     
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    What about the testicle?:oops:o_O
     
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    An electric version of a bike they cant sell now?....
     
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