I think I started this, and I'll take full responsibility for the anti-Progressive turn of the thread. But let me make clear what I post here is my own opinion about whatever -- black-eyed susans, kudzu, house painters, lifted pickup trucks, penis enhancement, or Progressive -- and that's all I'm doing: sharing. I'm not evangelizing. I was in the opinion-swaying business at one time and I'm not anymore. If I want to sway someone to my point of view, I'll make the attempt in private conversation. And I still won't go to anything affiliated with Progressive, even if it's a good cause, and some of their marketing efforts -- like business in general, they don't do anything "good" that isn't meant to be good for them-- support good causes. I knew a really crooked district attorney who eventually went to prison for smuggling in bales of marijuana, who was very effective in putting away a lot of bad guys. I don't believe anything is lily white or coal-mine black. I won't go simply because I, my own individual personal self, wouldn't enjoy it. Nuff said. We can all enjoy Indian's success.