Any Springfield types here coming from Road Kings?

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  1. fixxer

    fixxer New Member

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    Sorry folks,
    I searched again and again and didn't find posts comparing their Spriengfield to a Road King.
    I'm considering a K1600B as well but my Wife does not like the aesthetics on that bike, so I'm back to either the Road King or the Springfield. Mostly it will be used to run errands on week ends (2up).

    I'm thinking about the 2020 Springfield Dark Horse (116) with Stage 2 kit or a 20/20 Road King Special (114) with a SE Stg 3 kit. These would get me in the ball park of what my Freedom 106 is putting out following cams, various upgrades and a legit custom tune. It will be nice to do this stuff and stay under warranty for once. I'm accustomed to the larger tour frames and more forward control placement.

    I'm sure some of you went from Road Kings to Springfields. I'm a 6ft guy with a 5'8" wife that likes to go two up occasionally. I'm would add a quick detachable sissy bar and quick detachable wind deflector on either for longer trips out of town.

    Any input on why you went to Springfield vs Road King is greatly appreciated.

    Stay safe,
    -fixxer
     
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    Here: Quick Ride On The 2019 Indian Springfield Dark Horse
     
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    Also, @Bobby Jesus can probably give you some personal anecdotes.
     
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    Own a 16. Black. Rush slip ons, Indian ac and sissy bar. 33k Miles. Lots of rush hour traffic in their as well as highway rides. Have ridden from miso to Tennessee a couple times on this bike. Bottom line; I’m very happy. Long wheel base makes for riding on a cloud.
     
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    Every bit helps. Folks that had or still have a Road King and have a Springfield seem a rarity. The internet is lousy with test riders that give "impressions" but never actually owned either of them. I'm interesting in said owners perspectives.

    I should also add I said it would be used mostly for weekend errands 2-up. That's not correct. Mostly it will be me cruising 1-up and occasionally going on extended trips for training I do for work related stuff. The errands and occasional 2-up will be some nice weekends where I can get the wife out on it. She likes to ride around town but gets anxious when we end up on interstates for whatever reason. 10+ years of riding with me 2-up; with not even a close call, and she still can't get over the fact that cars are moving next to you on the freeway.
     
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    I've been ask many times.....why didn't you buy a HD?
    I told them because everybody has a Harley..... especially black ones.
    When Indian introduced the Springfield I said that's what I'm waiting for! Add the fact that Indian has Polaris behind them sealed the deal.
    My wife and I have done "motorcycle vacations" every year now. It does the job just fine on the open road. It's a great local bike to ride. Best of both worlds in my eyes.
     
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    Thank you. That was my thoughts. I'll be the first to admit that when/if I buy the Dark Horse or the RK Special, I'm buying a short QD wind deflector/windshield as part of the deal (and highway bars). I live in Central Kansas so I'm going to be honest with myself about dealing with constant headwinds. I'll be looking forward to calm evenings when I can take off the deflector and intend on one of the bags being dedicated as it's home.
     
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    We strap a sissybar bag on the back and away we go. I learn every trip what to bring and not to bring.
    It's a very stable platform for touring. As @Bobby Jesus stated it rides great. 2up is no problem. Adjust air shock based on the weight your putting on the bike (riders & cargo) and you're good to go.
     
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    I've never owned a RK, but have ridden a few (did have an Ultra for several years). Also have had an Indian Scout & Vintage.... now have a 17' RM and a 19' Springfield Darkhorse White Smoke. Aside from the unbeatable & unique styling the Springfield over the RK (honestly the RK is pretty sharp, and still falls short IMO) you will find that the handling is superior. The bike seems to "know" where you want to go, with a very light steering feel all of which makes it a very fun bike to ride. The well engineered air over rear suspension and neutral sitting position make it a solid two up ride all day bike. The Factory 116" torque and hp curves will be more favorable than the HD engine too.

    Again, you just need to go ride one of each and see what your arse tells you. Have fun!

    And oh yeah, whatever bike you get put a recurve windshield on it. I prefer Freedom (Colorado) due to their thickness but many people here like the Klockworks.
     
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    Thank you!
    I have a dealership lined up in late May that can accommodate test riding both (pending the pandemic release).

    Neither will be the exact trims that I am looking for, so I'll have to use my imagination and any feedback I can get.

    The White Smoke Dark Horse is exactly what I'm looking at! It's very unique.
    If you don't mind: Is it hard to clean? I've never owned a matte painted vehicle before. It seems to me that it might be a PITA to clean but it might not be as "rough textured" as industrial matte finishes that I've dealt with in the past. I'm used to scrubbing bugs off the windshield and going, so it's not like I have a perfect track record of keeping the bike paint clean anyway.
     
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    Not exactly what you're looking for but I'm friends with the owner. White Smoke 2017 Chieftain $16,500 | Indian Rider - Indian Motorcycle Forums This bike is impeccable and runs great (not sure if still for sale.....?).

    Matte is pretty easy to keep clean...I use ammonia free windex to spot clean and dawn dish soap to remove heavy grease and oil build up. I think it's easier to clean than a polished finish!

    I attached a couple pics for you. The bike came with stage 2 from the dealer. Good luck!
     

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    I have had a road king but was the old 1450 twin cam, I got it for a couple of year but sold it after 6 years, I love the ride feeling it gave me. I then bought the Springfield 2016 , loved the style even more . I tested a chief first and loved it from the first 20 feet of the test. There was no comparison to the harsher ride of the RK, i have rode 2019 road kings, nice engine but still top heavy at lower speeds, and i dont like black on black bikes. Has it's already been said, test both bikes first and you will make the right choice.
     
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    I had a 2003 RK. From the start I thought something was wrong with the suspension. Bike didn't feel balanced-like I was always fighting it. Had tires balanced and wheels checked. Even had someone check the frame measurements. It wasn't fun to drive anymore. Got to the point where it sit in the garage while I rode my Triumph. Finally sold it. Test rode and bought a new 17 Springfield. Like night and day difference.
     
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    Thanks guys.
    Everything I've seen and read point to Indian. I'm working onboard a ship until late May, when I can get out and test ride some bikes.
    A 2020 Springfield Darkhorse in White Smoke is a tall order to find anywhere close to my local area. I don't want to test ride a standard Springfield and order a bike that I haven't ridden, so maybe I'll be touring again on the Vision for awhile to go from state to state. I haven't "toured" for awhile (which is probably why I'm not crazy about touchscreen interfaces and do-dads on my next bike, especially because an upgraded version of all that is in my pocket on a phone).

    At this point I'll probably give HD a chance just to see what they're riding like lately but I have a feeling based on the last time I did this 10 years ago, it will just be a box to be checked. Hopefully their sales experience has adapted or they will be extinct by the time my generation (X) is at the baby boomer age.
     
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    Best of luck to you. Enjoy the journey !
     
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    Several weeks ago I rented a Road King (2017 I believe) and did 400 miles in a single day along the Blue Ridge Parkway, Dragon, and Foothills Parkway in NC & TN..... The one I rented had some brake issues due to a warped rotor but other than that it was in good order. I found I had to work the bike allot more to set and hold lines in corners etc. Rode fine but it was simply no where near the bike my 2016 SF is. SF has much more refined suspension and handling, the power with the 111 Stage II and a FM tune is well above the stock HD 107 RK I rode. To be fair I have spent very little time on a HD 114, I am sure that is a great engine and comparable to my slightly hopped up 111.

    Big differences are the ride with almost twice the travel in the rear on the SF and the steeper head angle coupled with the shorter trail. Just comes together in something that in my view is in a different league than the RK I spent 400 miles on that day.... Super easy to initiate and maintain a line in turns and super smooth ride. Also the SF two up is better than my Goldwing as far as feeling the extra weight is concerned. I think the smoothness of ride from a eating the bumps perspective even gets better two up. Did not ride two up on the RK but with way less travel our back I have to believe it would not be as good....

    Like many have said ride both and make your own choice each of us value different qualities in a bike and the RK certainly has some just not near as many as the SF in my experience..... But I own a SF so what else would I say "-)

    My 2 cents anyway
     
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    Trust me, the M8 114 isn't really performance comparable to the 111. The M8 outperforms the snot out of it. I bought a BBK explicitly because I couldn't stand it.
     
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    We are the same size, I have an 09 King that was my fathers. I've put well over 20k touring and "around the block" miles on it. The ONLY reason I keep it is because it was Dads. Two up, as with any Harley, the rear floorboards dig into my calves when I stop or try to maneuver, for some reason this never happens on my Roadmaster. The rider triangle is smaller than on Indians. My shoulders would hurt(less since I've changed to newer bars that are on Rushmores), my hips still hurt due to the flat angle of the front boards and the seat splays your legs at an odd angle. Although the Springfield is the only model I haven't ridden, I own a Roadmaster and a Vintage so I can bet these things would hold true for a Springfield as well. Indian's ergonomics are way better, suspension way better, and even though you are losing 2 of my favorite things on the Roadmaster(power shield and nav), you still would have remote locking bags which is awesome. Have to get a CVO to get that on Harley. Ride one, it will be all over, especially if the wife goes on the back. Unless you just want to drag race, then stick with the Harleys, more options for power.
     
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    Here is what I found the published specifications are on the HD 114 (100HP & 118 ft.lbs Torque
    This is at the crank....

    Displacement:
    1868.0 ccm (113.99 cubic inches)
    Engine type: V2, four-stroke
    Engine details: Milwaukee-Eight 114
    Power: 100.0 HP (73.0 kW)) @ 5000 RPM
    Torque: 160.0 Nm (16.3 kgf-m or 118.0 ft.lbs) @ 3500 RPM

    Here is what I found on Fuelmoto's web site which are actual Dyno numbers for a stock 114 at the rear wheel: (81 HP & 108 ft.lbs. Torque)
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    An 111 Indian with a PV3 tune on a Stage II bike with high flow air cleaner and slip on mufflers. CAT is also removed: (87HP & 115ft.lbs. Torque)

    So unless I am confused (which is possible) the original assumption that a slightly hopped up Indian 111 is more that comparable to a stock HD 114.

    Now to be fair... You throw a CAM, HF Air Cleaner and Mufflers on the 114 and remove the CAT and this would most certainly flip the other way... A more revelant comparison is probably a Stock HD 114 vs Indian 116 since those are the current big bore offerings from both mfg's...

    My experience is with the PV3 FM Tune on my 111 Stage II with the CAT in tact is that it has all the power I would ever need based on the chassis, brakes, and stock suspension that make up the whole package. More HP or ft.lbs. Torque would be seldom used based on the rest of the package and intended purpose of the bike in my view... Especially since I am pushing 60 "-0

    Power gains are in the eye of the beholder and everyone's views are different when it comes to more HP & TQ..... Some can never get enough

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